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Welcome to the military justice today podcast
with your host, Robert Cappavilla and Mickey
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Williams, covering the full range of
military law topics from all branches of the
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Armed Forces. Today's episode is May
possible in part by the law firm of
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Kappavilla and Williams. And now let's
welcome the host of the show, Rob
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and Mickey. Hey everybody. Mattst
Rosie, I hear with you on the
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military justice today podcast. I'm with
my friends and colleagues and clients. I'm
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going to introduce Mickey Williams first today. I think that's only right. Usually
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I introduced Mr Kappavilla first, but
I've got Mickey Williams here with me today.
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I've got Robert Cappavilla, their excellent
trial attorneys from the law firm of
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Cappavilla and Williams and where you are
going to answer some questions here today,
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gentlemen, the questions that we've gotten
from facebook and on our Google page and
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on Youtube. A lot of it
is reaction and questions that have kind of
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spawned out of our podcast episodes,
but there's some other ones in there as
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well. So we thought we'd take
a few minutes and run through the list
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of questions and answers. Should be
a fun episode, I would think so.
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Without any further delay, Mr Kappavilla, do you want to start us
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off with question number one or do
you just want to say hello to us?
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Well, first, hello to everybody. Hello to you, Mathannuel Matthew.
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Nice to see you. It's nice
to you back here in the wonderful
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studio. And this is an exciting
podcast because we have fans, at least
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eight fans, which were excited to
answer their question record. Yeah, we're
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excited to answer their questions. Some
of their questions are serious, some of
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them are kind of personal. We're
going to be diving into the personal life
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of Mickey Williams, and some of
them are kind of funny, which we
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really enjoy. The feedback and the
interaction it's doing this podcast and interacting with
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judge advocates. We've had a lot
of judge advocates email us and talk to
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us when we travel that we love
the podcast. We've had competitors say hey,
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I listen to the podcast, and
then we have just people, veterans
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and service members that are listening,
which is really cool for making an eye
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it's a humbling experience and we enjoy
doing this, which is part of the
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reason we do it. And we
have a fact checker. There's somebody who
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likes to check facts right. Both
we have all both worts. We have
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an Air Force Jag, he calls
himself. I have no names and if
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I did have a name I wouldn't
release it anyway. And Yeah, he
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chat he fact checks us and he
corrects us from time to time, and
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sometimes he's right, because not everything
that comes out of our mouth, unfortunately,
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is a hundred percent accurate, though
we certainly would like it to be
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and we strive for it to be. I say we have a plus rating.
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We have an a plus rating.
I think there was one thing he
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caught us on one time, of
all the emails we've gotten from him,
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on a misstatement by myself about something. Maybe it was the CID episode,
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but outside of it, as an
Air Force Jag, know about CID?
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I don't know. I don't know. This guy's really smart, though,
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and he makes a point to say
he went to a really great university.
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Well, look what, you're happy
for him. We appreciate him. Oh,
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you horse it all. Fans of
the PODCAST and the firm. If
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you are the Air Force Jag that's
writing some of these things, we would
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love to have you on and and
we would be happy to talk to you
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because we like the interaction. Yeah, it kind of adds some flavor to
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our to sometimes spice it's otherwise what
can be boring days. Right, I
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like that idea, dude, like
a fan episode where we bring in some
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of the fans of the show,
some of the listeners, and absolutely we
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should do that. I could get
out of control really quick. Yeah,
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fully, we'd like it, though
that. We'd like it though, right.
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Yeah, out of control. Yeah, but anyway. That being said,
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let's get to the first question.
I'm going to leave all names and
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Pii out, obviously, okay,
and some of these I don't even have
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names. DII means personal identify,
right, information. Right, I am
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in the military and I am in
being investigated by both the civilians and the
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military at the same time for the
same thing. Isn't that double jeopardy?
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It's a good question. It's question
we get a lot actually makee. You
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want to Uswing at that? Yeah, yeah, well, let's start off
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by double jeopardy only applies to punishment, right, being charged and punished for
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the same crime twice and the same
the same the same jurisdictions. Right.
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So Federal Court, you know,
Federal Court, and State Court. There's
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no double jeopardy. Yeah, and
military. So you could actually prosecuted in
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State Court and Military Court for the
same thing and there will not be double
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jeopardy. Yeah, they're they're what
they call all separate sovereigns. Right,
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that's exactly right. Can you be
investigated by both the civilians and the military?
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I see that happening with sexual assault
cases almost routinely. So absolutely you
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can. Again, their separate sovereigns. They work in coordination with each other
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almost all the time. Rob You
had that murder case at Campbell remember to
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that was that you do? That
was being investigated by both the the state
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and and the military. That well, that was being investigated by the military,
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the state police and the FBI.
Yeah, all three and two different
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states, because Campbell bordered Campbell is
extends into both Kentucky and Tennessee, from
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what I recall, that was quite
fascinating, dealing with all those different sovereigns.
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Well, the so typically where you
see this is when the the accuser
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is a civilian a lot of times
because they don't know to report to the
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military right. They just say I'm
gonna go to the police. So they
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go to the local police station,
they file a criminal report or complaint.
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The civilians start to investigate it and
then it gets reported over the military and
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then they start investigating. Believe it
or not, not only can you be
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investigated by both, but you can
also be prosecuted. Does that happen in
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practice, though? I guess maybe
two questions. One, do those investigating
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I'm calm, agencies? Do they
cooperate with each other and share information?
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And then is it? Is it
likely for somebody to be prosecuted by both,
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or does one kind of take the
lead and and then dissiding on what
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happens? Maybe or maybe not on
the other one. It's a jurisdiction question,
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right, and the uniform could a
military justice if you are active duty,
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applies to you no matter where you
are in the world universe. Say
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So, you can be stationed in
Fort Campbell, you can be on leave
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in Hawaii and the military absolutely has
jurisdiction over you. But who else would?
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The State and sovereign of Hawaii would
have jurisdiction over you because the crime
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allegedly happened on their territory. So
that's the kind of fundamental backdrop to jurisdiction.
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Matt, I forget the other part
of your question. Do they cooperate
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with each other? What they share
information? They try to. They certainly
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try to. I see, you
know what I see. This is,
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this is was wild. The civilians
will say this is a cruddy case all
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the time, all the time.
Take in this case. The military life
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will take that case on a hundred
percent and then they take yeah, we'll
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take it, and then you're like, Hey, I want to get the
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stuff from the city that this investigation
and then the military's I will start in
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our control, like we don't have
and I'm like, okay, case law
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says different, but yes, yeah, and we do deal with that,
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like Oh, she you know they
have a full investigation, but it's not
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in our control. The other thing
to remember, and I think this is
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part of your question to is technically
speaking, you can be prosecuted for the
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same crime in both the State Court
and Military Court, but most of the
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branches have internal regulations that say you
shouldn't do that unless you can get permission
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from the t Jag and the Uis
the big one. With Dui's the big
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one, the murder case. It
came up and it comes up in some
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sexual assault cases and in the other
one. I've seen it come up in
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his drug cases where the state and
in this particular case that I had out
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of what's the Air Force Base in
Vegas, Nella's Air Force Base, I
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had a case where the military was
prosecuting for distribution but the state was prosecuting
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them for possession, and the military
said they didn't have to go up to
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their t jad to get permission because
distribution and possession were different, even though
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it came from the same act.
So well as some of the nuances you
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deal with. How do you prosecute
distribution without possession? I don't know,
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but that was an issue that I
had at one point. So the final
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answer to all these questions is get
a really good lawyer, right, who
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understands, yes, hand and cannot
happen and how it's going to happen.
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Yes, that that's exactly right.
You should always try to get a good
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lawyer. Yeah, for I would
never recommend getting a bad lawyer. No,
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no, he wanders a lot of
the yeah, well, there's a
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lot of inexperienced lawyers, and I
mean certainly the you know, defense attorneys
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don't always have the best reputations,
which I take offense to, I'm a
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defense lawyer. But there are some
bad attorneys out there, for sure,
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like anywhere. Yep, all right. Question number two, Mr Capavilla.
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Question number two, Mr Williams.
Hmm, what is Vodire and is it
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important? Well, first we should, shouldn't we talk about the pronunciation first.
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I mean it's it's Voora diire in
some parts. I went to law
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school in Texas. It was definitely
voordaire there, but it is void dear.
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Well, I did in some circles
right most, I think most people
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call a voidier. I think it
is and most places, but in Texas
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I don't even know. I sometimes
it makes them both up. So what
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is it is basically just jury selection. That's all it is. You're asking
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questions of the jury. Is it
important? You yeah, it's important.
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It could be the most important aspect
of the case leave or not, depending
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on what type of jury you get, might be the difference between acquittal and
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a conviction. So it's an opportunity
to vet the people who could potentially serve
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as a jury. Yeah, that's
what it is, and a military court.
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It's your right right. So a
lot of times the whole first day
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of trials going to be the voreedire
process, asking the jurors, question the
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panels, questions about their fairness,
their impartiality. Do they know anybody that's
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associated with the Court Martial? Are
they able to apply the law? Are
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they able to put aside any personal
experiences they may have that could influence their
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decisions, such as in a sexual
assault case, we're always asking do you
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know have you or somebody close to
you've been a victim of the of sexual
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assault? There's a lot of people
that say yes. So the purpose of
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or Diaris to get at the the
internal or inherent bias of particular panel members
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and to ensure that the panel that
is seated, if they do have bias
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it, they can put it aside
to judge the case fairly and to remove
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for cause. At times, anybody
who you think would is going to have
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bias, either towards the government or
towards a defense. It's a Jerry Spence,
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who is a an idol of making
eyes, will tell you that it's
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perhaps the most important moment in trial. How many strikes do you have?
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Can the judge strike or is that
not even appropriate to look at that way
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because they serve a different role in
the military? But how do the strikes
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work? And in military courts preparatory
challenges? Right, Hu, premparatory challenge.
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So each side gets one right,
right one. Not. You don't.
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You don't even have to really give
an explanation. You just I don't
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want this person. You just did
and less what makes a bats in challenge
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for it. But that doesn't happen
very often. The judge can if there's
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cause, and that's what the whole
the whole process is about, like rob
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said, getting to the root of
the bias, right, if there is
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a so there's actual bias and implied
bias and then there's a liberal grant mandate.
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So with actual bias, if you're
able to show, hey, this
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person is actually biased towards a particular
thing that's going to impact the case negatively,
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judge will have to strike them.
Okay, you can't be here.
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Implied bias means, well, I
don't think they actually have it, but
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some of the things that they're saying
implicates bias in some way. I can't
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give a good example. Then somebody
who worked in like a sharp area of
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law. But they don't. They're
saying all the right things on the record,
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but they worked in like as a
sharp rapp or something like that,
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which is sexual harassment, sexual assault. Yeah, area. So if a
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guy were to say he thought his
biceps were big, that could be a
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challenge to you, that he thinks
his biceps are bigger than your. Well,
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I thought he's implied what I would
something like that. I would tell
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the judge your art when you have
a posed down right now. Sorry,
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I shouldn't have interjected with that,
but so the judge can strike anybody for
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any reason. They're not limited to
the number that if the judge finds bias
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or Blazers bias, yeah, he
or she can. You know, it's
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interesting. Sometimes he's judges and I
love them, I love you guys,
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but sometimes they actually rehab the the
yeah, jures. Yeah, they'll read
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them of their buying yeah, they're
like five questions. If I ask you
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this, are you willing to if
I instruct you to do this, would
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you be willing to do that?
And they're like, Oh, yeah,
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you got a judge and you're like, come on, man, so the
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judge can strike as many as they
want. You have one strike for any
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reason or no reason at all.
Yep, a lot ours are not based
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on sex, race or any other
thing to deal with that. Are there
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more? Are there more strikes for
cause? Then as well, you have
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unlimited strikes for cause. Okay,
as long as so you have to show
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either bias or implied bias and you
have to make argument to the judge and
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you're going to be able to ask
follow up questions of witnesses as well.
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The liberal grant mandate is in place
because of how seriously, you know how
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seriously judges should take implied bias.
Right. It basically says like if there
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is some bias, even if it's
implied, the liberal grant mandate says you
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should be if it's a close safe, then sorry and get somebody off the
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panel who otherwise, you know,
may have some issues being on the panel.
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I don't want to make this,
this question, the bulk of the
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of the episode, but let me
ask you this. Are these issues of
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bias being discussed in front of those
potential drupp well, are they? They
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out of the their sent out they're
out. So you do the voide our
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process. Yes, then you make
your challenges to the judge and then each
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side argues there. I'm a lot
of times you come to an agreement the
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government. There's like some things are
just obvious. Victim the same crime or
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was in the chain of command,
you know, things like that. Yeah,
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but then there are there are other
close calls and that's usually where the
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implied by a stuff. is any
crazy stories from Vardai? Are The craziest?
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Oh yeah, that's the craziest question. The crazy story about attorneys and
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the yeah, yeah, there's a
crazy, crazy story about some attorney's doing
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some things that we're and ire.
No, but did. I'll highlight a
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story real quick to talk about how
important this is. I had a case
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recently. It was a air force
separation board for an enlisted airman and I
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was very confident going in based upon
it was a sex assault case, based
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upon some statements made by the accuser
where she essentially admitted that the act was
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consensual. We litigated for the full
day. The next day we came back,
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we did some closing argument. The
panel, or the board in that
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case, litigated for six and a
half hours and despite the overwhelming amount of
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evidence showing that this was consensual and
the fact that the accuser herself didn't show
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up because she said she spoke to
her therapist. Now everything was fine.
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That board came back and separated my
client with an Oth and found that he
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did all of them as conduct.
It was probably the most one of the
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more devastating losses that I've had,
because I've not I've been very blessed not
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to lose very many by and large. It turned out that there was some
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issues with the the board, so
they reconvened a new board. Play the
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entire hearing of the first board to
the new board. They deliberated for forty
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five minutes, came back and said
retain, he did not commit the misconduct.
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I bring that up to show you
how important the people are who are
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deciding your case. And in a
board you don't have as many rights to
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Vore diaries you do a court martial. So that's why a lot of legal
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scholars and some very, very experienced
trial lawyers save board diary is the most
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important moment in a trial because if
you get the wrong people, you're going
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down, regardless of how skilled or
talented your attorney are and that's a great
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example of the same facts, same
evidence on board coming back and saying he
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did it all, and another coming
back and saying he didn't do any of
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it. Interesting. So there you
go, nice, good description topic.
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Gentlemen, Mr Capavilla, the next
question, please. My favorite question that
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we got. Mickey. Yes,
are you single? I don't think that's
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a R no way. It is
a real question. He's a handsome dare
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you. I think it's legit.
How dare you? I haven't been single
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twenty years, man, don't go
to me. This is to this is
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to the question, the person who
asked a question. I know you're not
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single. I don't care if you're
single or not. You know, handsome.
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I'm happily married, been happily married
for a long time and I don't
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yeah, I don't know what else
to say. That's very cleas the fact
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that's how he asked is very flattering. Nobody ever asked if I'm single or
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yeah, Matt and I get questions
bout maybe weight we've gained since the first
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podcast. We don't get question aout
like are you single? Oh, I
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knew it, you were loser.
That's what they want. To talk about
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the glass half empty. Mickey,
I think it. You know, yeah,
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I'm to take somebody the man.
I will take a compliment, implied
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or otherwise, anywhere you can get
all right, I'll take all right,
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okay, next question, rob this
is to me. I recently talked to
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an attorney outside the location where I'm
stationed and he's never been in military court
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but he says he deals with what
I'm accused of all the time in civilian
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court and he's got a lot of
experience. Does it matter whether or not
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the attorney that I hire has military
experience or not? That's a great question.
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That's a really good question. So
look, there's a tremendous amount of
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skilled local criminal attorneys, but the
the in the military environment, the procedural
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requirements of a court martial are so
much different than what you will see in
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State Court or regular federal court.
I mean so, so, so,
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so much different. So I would
say it makes a huge difference, and
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I'm not just saying that because we
have prior military experience. I'm saying that
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you're comparing apples and oranges when you're
talking about state court versus military court.
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Military Court requires far, far,
far more attention to detail. In my
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opinion, the motions practice is different, the judges are different, how you
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select the jury is different, the
jury pool is different. They really are
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apples and oranges. So I would
say higher the attorney you're most comfortable with.
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I mean, I think that's probably
number one. But number two is,
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does your attorney have military justice experience? I don't know what your thoughts
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are making. I agree with all
of that. I think that and I've
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been in when I was a defense
attorney, I would have invariably I'd have
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a civilian defense counsel on the case
who was local, didn't have any military
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experience. The culture difference is is
there? Right, absolutely great point.
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So the civilian would sit down and
talk to the judge. We don't do
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that military court man. If you
sit down and talk to the judge,
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you're going to get lit up and
that's what having this guy and that doesn't
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look good for in front of a
panel, doesn't look good in front of
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your client. Right. The other
issue I saw once. I've never had
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a even when I was a military
council, I never had a guy who
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had never been a military court before
be my co counsel. But I saw
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one of the people in my office. It was his co council and he
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walked up to the bench to request
an opportunity to speak to the judge about
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an objection. The judge like,
what are you doing? There are no
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there. You know, in State
Court their side bars and military court they're
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called article thirty nine Alphas of two
very different things. So Yeah, look,
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you need somebody with you need somebody
with military justice experience if you're facing
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a serious allegation in court martial.
I don't think there's any question about it.
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Well, I think if anybody has
any doubt, I would just referm
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to our podcast episode on discharges.
I mean we spend thirty minutes talking about
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five different discharges with nuances Galore.
Your average civilian attorney is not going to
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understand all those different potential consequences,
what impacts they're going to have on you
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well into the future. Right,
yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly
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right. Now there have been some
success the the Baals, I think USC
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bales. He brought on that famous
civilian council who is Ted Bundy's defense attorney.
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Oh well, right, so it
does. We do see it from
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time to time and I know there's
a new organization that I'll bring in,
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like business, like high end corporate
attorneys to come in and handle court marshals
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to I don't know what kind of
success they're having, but is out there.
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That being said, I would be
very, very, very cautious to
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to hire somebody who doesn't have military
justice experience. Well, and there's always
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the exception, right, there's an
exception to everything out there. But the
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reality is I don't live my life
based on the the exception. I but
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you know, want to live my
life based on the rules and something is
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important as a court martial or separation
board, you need to have the best,
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most experienced person you can have.
I would agree with that. Okay,
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rob. Next question, rob.
I've heard you say on many occasions
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that the opening statement is more important
than the closing argument. I am an
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experienced judge advocate myself and I've tried
and one a lot of cases and I
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vehemently disagree with your assessment. Closes
where a great lawyer makes his money.
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and quote, that's his argument.
That's what he said. makes his money.
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That's what he said and I don't
think he means actual money. I
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think he means like that's where you
like that we look the end to get
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all it gets. Look, they're
both important. Nobody. I've told Mickey
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this many times. I think I've
told Matt this that there is nothing.
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There are a few things in the
world I love more than walking into a
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packed court house when I am ready
to give a closing statement. The anticipation,
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the passion, the power, the
feel of a filled court house knowing
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that you are what stands between your
client getting convicted of not getting convicted.
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There is emotional drama in that and
I love that. But the data absolutely
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and without exception concludes that the opening
statement is more important than the closing argument.
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It shows that between seven and eight
seventy eighty percent of jurors pick who
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they want to win after opening statements, and that's indisputable. Mean, these
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are known facts. Look at the
data. It's out there. Yeah,
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so to me, while as lawyers
it's very natural for us to feel like
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the closing is the big moment,
it's the opening statement that that the numbers
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show, the data shows, is
more important. Mr Williams, do you
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agree with Robert Capavilla on this issue
or you have a different take on up
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I don't have a different take here. Here's why I think it's important,
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because you're making promises in the opening
a lot of times you're saying these are
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the facts, right, the government
has laid out these facts, here are
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the actual facts, and if you're
able to show that your facts are correct
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and there's a wrong it doesn't matter
what you see in the closing argument.
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I mean, listen, you can
Jerry Spence would say you can't win a
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case in closing argument, but you
can lose it. So a case that
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was close in the closing argument,
if you just kind of you know,
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I don't know, mailing in I'm
not going to do all that well.
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So you still got to do a
good job in the closing army. Don't
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get me wrong, but I think
the opening statement you're really putting out there,
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hey, this is what's going to
this is what you're going to seat,
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and then, through the cross examinations
of the government's witnesses, you're your
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meeting. You're making all those promises
true and then by the time you get
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the closing like hey, this guy's
telling the truth, the government's being a
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little shady. Yeah, what I
like about this question most is not really
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the ultimate answer. It's just the
fact that lawyers, and good lawyers,
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might disagree on it. I mean
that's what makes the practice of law interesting,
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right, they might disagree vehemently.
Yeah, like this guy did.
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it's I mean the data is one thing,
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but you can disagree. Sure,
you know he's wrong. Opening statement
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is more important, but look,
in grand scheme of a trial you're going
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to want to be exception on all
phases. That's right, you know.
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Okay, my favorite question. We
have two more to go. Either one
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of these are particular serious. This
is my favorite question and it's to Mickey
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Making. HMM. When I listened
to rob talk on the PODCAST, he
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makes it sound like he's never lost
a court martial in his career. How
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do you work every day with a
man who as an ego the size of
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the Nile River? Pat, that's
a real question. That's her real question.
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I think it's a great question.
Well, I think we've all got
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egos in there. You got to
have an EGO, man. That's what
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I would say. You got to
have an ego to think that you can
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go in there and persuade the jury
that your light of thinking is the right
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way, right. To be able
to think that way, you're going to
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have to have some ego. All
right, listen, you want to know
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the truth. Rob's got a big
ego and that's why he's downstairs that we're
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because he's where I'll talk about.
The hurts my feeling of the office.
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That hurts my feelings. No,
no, what I'm saying is is rob
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is a fantastic litigator, the best
I've seen, and you've if you don't
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have that passion like he does and
be able to convince yourself that way of
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thinking, I don't tell you.
Man Like you might be good technically,
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but if you don't have that fire, it's going to be much more difficult,
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I think, to convince that jury. Yeah, the real question is,
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would you rather have somebody who really
believes in themselves and their case and
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their client and the you know,
the finding justice and truth, or do
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you want somebody who's unsure? I
would take the person who's sure of themselves
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and listen every time. I appreciate
both you guys. My wife would agree
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that I have an ego. I
try to work on it. I try
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to be humble with things. I
have absolutely lost court martials I'm sure I'll
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lose some in the future. I
was delegated, or I think is that
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the now? Not Delegated, I
was recently put into the basement of the
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office by vote of the firm.
So I work by myself now in the
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basement. No, I'm kidding,
I am downstairs, but it's I like
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to keep the door open and I
got you, and I like to keep
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it cold. And Yeah, you
can your hot blood, I do.
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Yeah, and relegated. There we
go. Relegate it not delicately. Here
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alligated to the first floor. You
hear how loud he is just on this
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podcasts. So imagine he's on the
phone with the lead pacing right. I
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look, I'm very fortunate to work
with folks. Mickey and I've worked together
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for a long time. We have
three other attorneys in the office. We
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work together really well and we all
deal with each other's stuff because when you're
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in trial and when you work on
such stressful kind of cases and cases that
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will literally take up every thoughts you
have, you know the weaknesses of the
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person next you come out and we
have a great group of attorneys. We
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all work well together. But yes, my wife would agree, I have
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an EGO. I don't know if
it's to size the Nile, but maybe
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the Ohio River will be more appropriate
your style. I'll yeah, great question.
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All right, very good question.
All right, last question. All
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Right, last question is my favorite, well, one of my favorites.
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I think this had to come from
somebody who knows us. I do not
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think this is a real question from
a person who watches the podcast. I
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think this comes from maybe somebody who
works with us or knows us well.
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Okay, Mickey and Rob, what
is the best John Clode Van Damn movie?
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Get Out of here, it's right
here. Oh Man, that's a
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tough question. There's some good ones. Yeah. Well, so I cheated
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because I knew this question. So
when I traveled this past week and I
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had some downtime, I watched,
I re watched my two favorites. So
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I cheated a little bit. Okay, well, we're those. I rewatched
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Lion Heart, Oh, great one, and I really we re watch blood
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sport. Yeah, I'd say the
I mean there are some other ones out
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there. I lot people know about, like death warrant. Is when he
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goes to prison as an undercover cops. Why? Sucks, Mickey, I
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love that one. He fights the
Sandman down the basement like they're what else?
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A time copy, like time COPSIC
CA movie, his first movie,
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Cyborg, like his first big movie, Cyborg, Cyborg. That is a
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really phenomenal movie. Will wait a
second phenomenal for him, or an Oscar
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when no warmer. Look, I
mean Cyborg. As a kid, that
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bad guy would like his eyes and
he barely taught. He was a scary
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guy and you know, I thought, I still think, the narrative that
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movies pretty good. My favorite,
my favorite John Klon Dot John Claude Van
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Damn movie, though, is Lion
Heart. I think that's a really good
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movie. I think the last fight
scene is super cool. Wrong bet,
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yeah, wrong bit, stick it
down. Yeah, I think he's gonna
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kill you, kill you, kill
you, wrong bite. And then then
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he gets this energy and somehow beasts. He always does the he does the
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the screen to like everything. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's signature
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and is like jumping side kick that
he does, like a roundhouse kick.
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It's like iconic. You know,
when you grow up in the nineties like
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Mickey and I did, it's iconic. Mickey, what's your favorite movie?
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What's your favorite John Quabni. I'm
glad you mentioned Cyborg. I like that
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one a lot too. Yeah,
there was one he did when he was
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a little bit older. I can't
remember the name of it now, but
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I think it was like in the
French Foreign Legion. He's actually does some
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funny ones too recently, where he's
like this crazy environmentalist and he like kidnaps
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a bunch of people. He's like
a bad guy at making. You're wasting
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our time. When we're talking about
Van Damn great movies, there's really only
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three to choose from, kickboxer,
blood sport and Lion Heart. I'll put
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you on the spot. Your favorite
movie, Not your environmentalist favorite movie,
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your favorite Vandam. I would say
Lionhard is mine because of all like the
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little fight scenes and then that I
love that one when he hits the guy
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in the groin. He does that's
like yeah, yeah, yeah. I
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think what we need to do is
the next what's your favorite? Matt?
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You know what I don't? I've, I'm embarrassed to say, I think
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I've only seen one blood sport,
but I don't know, not seeing the
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others. But I think we need
to do next time as a re enactment
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of our favorite scenes. So,
like we get Mickey, you know,
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where he breaks the brick at the
very bottom blood sport and they test him
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to get oh yeah, yeah,
he had to break though. Yeah,
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you need to do that for me. The guys like the guys like you.
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Says here, you're to Naka.
You don't look like to Naka.
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Oh Yeah, Dude. Double impact. I forgot about double impact. That's
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another big one. When he plays
like it's same bad guy, it's same
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bad guy, and when he shoots
his when he shoots, when the bad
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guy shoots the I remember, this
is a kid. The Bad guy shoots
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the dad and the mom goes,
what's going to happen to my children?
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And he goes, you'll never know. And then, wow, that's,
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I think, the scene we need
to reenact with Kapa Villa's the one where
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he's in the kitchen and he's doing
the full splits on the countertop. Yeah,
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where is that from? You know
where he's like famous full split.
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I wouldn't be getting up from that. That would be the end of me
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and my ego. Well, a
great series of questions. Do we have
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any more? No, that's is
there anything you want to ask each other.
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Probably not know. Are we eating
after this? Yeah, where we
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going to go after this? Matt, you're going to launch with us,
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even though we know you don't like
as much today. Well, listen.
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It was great to to do more
of a light a lighthearted episode. I
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guess some great questions. Please continue
to send them. We like to see
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him, positive or negative, and
we'll do one of these in the future.
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Will we answer the other? So, signing off for Robert Capavilla and
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Mickey Williams. This is military justice
today on Matt's J Rosiac. Have a
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